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  1. A Citizen
    February 26, 2012 @ 11:39 am

    This is really weird and overwrought.

     All the National Popular Vote initiative would do is have us elect presidents the same way we elect governors, senators, mayors, and all other officeholders. What you do is, you count the votes of the people living in the area the officeholder is supposed to be answerable to (like, say, Texas, or, say, the United States of America) and see which candidate gets the largest number of votes.

    Anybody have a better suggestion for how to conduct elections?

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    • VizFact
      February 26, 2012 @ 3:54 pm

       Yeah, the way we have it now, without unaccountable voting machines, and with less corruption. Maybe if we vote out all incumbents we will get rid of some of the corruption. Employing mob rule ain’t a good move for a highly diverse society such as is in America.

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      • Mvymvy
        February 27, 2012 @ 12:35 pm

        The
        National Popular Vote bill would end the disproportionate attention and
        influence of the “mob” in the current handful of closely divided
        battleground states, such as Florida, while the “mobs” of the vast
        majority of states are ignored. 98% of the 2008 campaign events involving a
        presidential or vice-presidential candidate occurred
        in just 15 closely divided “battleground” states.  12 of the 13 lowest population states (3-4
        electoral votes), that are non-competitive are ignored, in presidential elections.
          9 of the original 13
        states are considered “fly-over” now. Over half (57%) of the events were in just four states (Ohio, Florida,
        Pennsylvania and Virginia).  Similarly,
        98% of ad spending took place in these 15 “battleground” states.

                                                      

        The current system
        does not provide some kind of check on the “mobs.” There have been 22,000 electoral votes cast since
        presidential elections became competitive (in 1796), and only 10 have been cast
        for someone other than the candidate nominated by the elector’s own political
        party.  The electors now are dedicated
        party activists of the winning party who meet briefly in mid-December to cast
        their totally predictable rubberstamped votes in accordance with their
        pre-announced pledges.

         

        If a Democratic
        presidential candidate receives the most votes, the state’s dedicated
        Democratic party activists who have been chosen as its slate of electors become
        the Electoral College voting bloc. If a Republican presidential candidate
        receives the most votes, the state’s dedicated Republican party activists who
        have been chosen as its slate of electors become the Electoral College voting
        bloc. The winner of the presidential election is the candidate who collects 270
        votes from Electoral College voters from among the winning party’s dedicated
        activists.

        With the current state
        winner-take-all system of awarding electoral votes, winning a bare plurality of
        the popular vote in the 11 most populous states, containing 56% of the
        population, could win the Presidency with a mere 26% of the nation’s votes.

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        • Viz Fact
          February 27, 2012 @ 10:45 pm

           And you say that to justify all out mob rule?

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  2. Chris Morrow
    February 29, 2012 @ 9:29 pm

    Sure, there are plenty of points to make against a pure-majority system. But not all non-majoritarian systems are created equal! And it is perfectly possible for a non-majoritarian system to be way inferior to a majoritarian one. A trivial example would be a dictatorship. That’s certainly not mob rule by the majority, but can we really say it is not worse than majority rule would be?

    So the real question is, does our current system actually deal with the problems of majoritarianism in a remotely effective way? In my opinion, no. And I am unaware of any such system apart from supreme courts guided by constitutions which guarentee minority rights. Suppose for the sake of argument that we had a national popular vote. Would anyone, anywhere, advocate replacing it with an electoral college system exactly like the current one? Really?

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    • VizFact
      February 29, 2012 @ 11:37 pm

      In response to your first point, I think a dictatorship is a bad idea especially if me nor you are the dictator.

      On your second point, If we had a national popular vote or any other form of “majoritarian” system the majority would never against its own power.

      The inherent flaw in any “majoritarian” system is itself and its propensity for self-serving perpetual corruption. Oh, not to forget, the majority would continue to re-elect itself.

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